Comments on: A Brief Word About Remix Sunday

By: Shanghai Lil

Shanghai Lil — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:17:00 +0000

I was wondering where my flippin' remix sunday went. Alls I know is people need to mind their own peas and just be happy someone is highlighting their music. So tired of the record company groan.

Palms Out is the ultimate F to the O for the creepos who are trying to control artistry.

Keep your message as outrageous as Gem!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:13:00 +0000

fuck that sheee

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:39:00 +0000

dude, u can also post some ‘sundayz’ wiyhout posting it on board, all interested will know where to search zips :)

By: N

Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:51:00 +0000

Keep posting 320k's. What use does a good dj have with low bitrate copies? Is that the best way to promote? Just dont do it for tracks you can buy online that are released. Artists & labels that care enough will ask you to take their stuff down if they dont want it up.

Let's be realistic here though, you're not going to be making money without promotion. Your 'lost' sales dont exist without the fanbase promo builds you. Oh and touring & playing shows is where the real money is.

Lastly.. HALDAN.. please try getting the quality back to where it used to be. I haven't been finding the bangers for my dj sets that I used to on here. Just deleting everything. Thanks though.

By: H

Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:40:00 +0000

i agree with the anon above me that blogs shouldn't be posting 320s of tracks, to a point. I think it's fine IF the artist themselves has sent blogs their tracks/remixes. Originals- nothing wrong with it. The person who sent the track owns the rights to it, and has obviously given permission.

But what makes originals from unknown producers ok and not remixes? Because nobody knows who a lot of these guys are, and they're not going to have any of the contacts needed to get permission to make a remix of a track. Also, a lot of producers start off doing just remixes, until they finally get an original done which they're happy with (and trust me, that takes time).

So I agree that posting 320s of well known stuff is pretty dodgy, but (to use the term that's been used over and over) to 'promote' people who don't know the right people, I think it's fine. I'm sure even big-name commercial DJs browse the blogs for a lot of stuff until labels send them promo cds.

And as for the "everyone and their mum is a dj" remark- yeah, it pisses me off too. But producer-djs get ahead by posting their trax and remixes on blogs, so they're more than just a dj.

tl;dr- don't post 320s on blogs unless the artist themself sent u the track.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:29:00 +0000

btw for the "old school" reference. Record stores werent ever sent promos for resale by the distributors.
Those were radio/club/mixtape djs that were being serviced by the record labels and sold their used promos 2nd hand to the record stores for them to resell. Thats how they ended up there if your interested & yes I used to be one of those djs :)

By: labelmate

labelmate — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:22:00 +0000

Yes I understand that those blogs I mentioned are "anomalies"...however please read and understand some of my objections to how the majority of blogs operate.

Should it be my responsibility or that of the label to have to find every blog posting up our artist's original works and tell them to take them down...absolutely not. The laws out there regarding this are relatively obvious and can be readily found. It is up to the blogger to determine which material he/she posts & I understand that bloggers are trying to express their shared love for music along with the readers however it should be done much more responsibly like...

Why is it that most blogs post music up in 320kbps instead of 192 or 128? If you are really trying to promote music then you should upload it in a lower-quality format and then those who like the song, should head to Beatport, Amazon, iTunes, etc and cop the record. But no, everybody and their mom is a fucking DJ and thinks that they since the advent of the internet, they do not need to purchase music anymore (physically or digitally) and they want everything in 320.

If i get a record in 320, I'm not going to Beatport or iTunes cuz Im not a fucking idiot... I already have the best version of the song. Trust me if blogs were posting up the original works of our label's works in 128, then I wouldnt have written this but the truth is they do not. I 100% condone embracing technology but ignoring copyright law is ridiculous and hiding behind BS excuses like "promotional use only" is like P2P file sharing companies saying "we had no idea 99% of our users were using this service to trade copyrighted material."

By: Google

Google — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:48:00 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:30:00 +0000

Blog sites are doing no where nere as bad as record stores where as far as promo music. Blog sites are really giving you free music for free. If your from the old school meaning you went to a record store and bought vynil to play at your show, I think you will agree. Oldschool record stores would be sent a stack of promo records ment to be given away from the distributor. Then the record stores would turn them around and sell them…. some promo. The only people to profit from it was the record store. Not the artist. I love what your blog does keep it up!!!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:25:00 +0000

Remix Sunday is truly amazing.

It would be such a shame if it were taken away. I need it.

And it's being harassed for all the wrong reasons.

Good luck everybody.

By: ganietzsche

ganietzsche — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:43:00 +0000

under the DMCA's safe harbor provisions, 17 U.S.C. § 512 (c)(1)(C) the claimant must provide the following information when they contact:
a) proof that they are authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner
b) identification of all copyrighted works allegedly being infringed
c) identification of exactly which material and/or user is actually doing the infringing (and a URL or other such way of locating it)
d) A physical address or phone number and email address at which they can be contacted
e) a statement that the claimant feels the use of the copyrighted material is not authorized by the holder or the law
f) a statement that the information given in the notice is correct, under penalty of perjury

claims which do not include all of the above information are made in bad faith and are ILLEGAL.
continue demanding google provide the info

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:43:00 +0000

I’m in agreement with you on the postings you referenced, however, I believe these postings are exceptions to the general rule. Posting entire back catalogs like that isn’t acceptable; that being said, it’s once in a blue moon that I come across gratuitous postings like those. You’re missing the point here; a simple e-mail to said bloggers regarding said posts would have them brought down. The issue with Google/Blogger is that fact that, instead of being civil about it, labels are immediately filing DMCA claims about them. They are completely justified in doing so, but this is the most extreme measure they can take short of actually filing suit. In other words, don’t act like you “don’t mind” – if you really “didn’t mind” you’d send an e-mail to advise said bloggers and ask them to amend the posts BEFORE going the DMCA route. The bigger issue here is that, while Google isn’t violating any of its own rules, it’s definitely not playing by the DMCA rules and apparently is only even referencing your “right” to a counterclaim in order to save face. I.E. they want to keep that “Google ideal” and not just admit that they will bend to DMCA claims and take the posts down immediately. If Google/Blogger was up front about the fact that they have a zero tolerance policy, instead of putting forth this ridiculous, illusory visage of “recourse” to save face, I personally would have a lot less of a problem with it.

I’m not sure what “electronica label” you work for, but those posts you referenced are absolutely exceptions to the rule, and the understood course of action is an e-mail requesting that the posts be amended. After said e-mail, if the blogger continues to abuse their posts, then DMCA recourse would make more sense. If, after that, you want to assert the fact that blogs are posting copyrighted material and have no right to, I say this – quit with the “chilling effects” crap and just file suit. Who exactly were you trying to preach to here?

By: Labelmate

Labelmate — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:18:00 +0000

TO THE GUY WHO SAID NO BLOGS PUT UP ENTIRE BACK CATALOGS…

Crookers via Penned Madness – http://www.pennedmadness.com/2008/11/get-learned-crookers.html

MSTRKRFT via Sundtrak (there are 3 parts, this is pt3)
http://www.sundtrak.com/2008/07/repost-mstrkrft-remixes-pt-3.html

http://hypem.com/go/track/585113

TRUTH IS, I work for an electronic label and I have no problem with blogs posting up REMIXES. Those tracks are usually hard to come by in the physical realm and really arent taking away much from the remixing artist who is payed an all-in flat fee usually to do the remix and gets no royalties from its sales. ORIGINAL SONGS should not be put up on blogs for download…especially of popular artists. we are facing that problem now and all the bloggers do is hide behind this bullshit mantra of "we are promoting your music and helping you sell records". All those blogs are doing is trying to get more hits than their competitors & are encouraging an easy and readily available free download of songs that should be for sale only. thats where the infringement comes in. Honestly I think Palms Out Sounds is great and not guilty of this….Penned Madness, Hot Biscuits, Indie Music Speaker are however bad examples of this

By: DJ2D2

DJ2D2 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:16:00 +0000

I guess this is the price of succes.

Long live to Palms Out!!!